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A strict reconstructionist would have to recognize that all that is allowed today would be religionis and not what was once sacra. In spite of the claims of some, I just do not see where constitute a state.
The Founding Fathers did look to Roman example while trying to establish our republic.
Another thing of special concern in the US is the loci genii who we would have to consider are Native American. Just as Romans in ancient times related to the local gods in distant lands, our own practices on these distant shores should recognize the ancestral spirits and local deities of those who were here before us.
It harks back to a question I'd always wanted to ask at the Other Place, but was too thoroughly intimidated by my early treatment there (yes, Marius intimidated; but then, the pagan fundies in that organization really did give me a going-over...):
"How much of the practice of ancient Roman religion was ordained by the Gods...and how much of it was imposed upon Them by men?"
Another idea: Wouldn't this be a great time to ask Them anew what Their preferences might be? W could wind up with something a lot simpler, more rustic, than what has been handed down to us...
Romulus Iulius Ursus wrote:
What I am interested in developing a set of public rituals for the Roman polytheist to compliment the private rituals we all know and love, within the context of modern existing societies, American or otherwise.
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"How much of the practice of ancient Roman religion was ordained by the Gods...and how much of it was imposed upon Them by men?"
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Marius Peregrine wrote:[color=green
If the Gods did not decree, but merely accepted, a certain practice, then we have leeway to adapt and come up with a better one, one more suited to the world we find ourselves in. Another idea: Wouldn't this be a great time to ask Them anew what Their preferences might be? W could wind up with something a lot simpler, more rustic, than what has been handed down to us...
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Marius Peregrine wrote:Salvete amici...
I am surprised and pleased at the existence of this thread. It harks back to a question I'd always wanted to ask at the Other Place, but was too thoroughly intimidated by my early treatment there (yes, Marius intimidated; but then, the pagan fundies in that organization really did give me a going-over...):
Romulus Iulius Ursus wrote:A strict reconstructionist would have to recognize that all that is allowed today would be religionis and not what was once sacra. In spite of the claims of some, I just do not see where constitute a state.
Well, some nameless organizations want to pretend they are Roma Reborn as a "micronation" on the internet. Personally I find this a bit ... silly. No one lives on a micronation on the internet. We all live in our respective 21st century cultures.
What you mean then is that groups form, collectively celebrating as an extension of their private practices in a community of fellow practitioners of the Relgio Romana. ( -- snip --) The Col Rel could possibly assist in developing rituals for such local groups and encourage them to become legal recognized. Is that what you mean?
Marius alluded to a streak of Christian bashing that unfortunately arises in that other place from time to time, along with occasional prejudicial statements made by individuals that are directed against other groups as well. ( -- snip --) As a practical matter, one tenet any modern Religio Romana would have to embrace is religious tolerance, and its members would necessarily have to be active in promoting social justice and tolerance as a way to develop the kinds of societies in which we ourselves would be tolerated.
Already one of our members has formed a legally recognized church in California, the Temple Religio Romana. You can check them out at http://www.religioromana.net
Romulus Iulius Ursus wrote:Exactly. Are you familiar with Hellenion, the organization for Hellenic Reconstructionists? They are training legally recognized clergy. They are forming local congregations. They are developing modern rituals for said congregations. I just heard their New England demos had a Festival for the Heroes on Memorial Day, and a festival to honor the dryads of the maple trees, which of course are everywhere in New England.
That's what I'm talking about. A living, breathing religio for living breathing, societies. Not pretending that there are Vestal Virgins still around to administer rights to long forgotten festivals.
The finer points you raised will have to be addressed by someone wiser than myself. I certainly hope this college takes an active approach in answering said points. After all, we owe it to ourselves and to the Gods of Rome.
Vale!
Gegania wrote:If the Religio Americana is to build on the Religio Romana and adapt it to modern times, what about adapting the priestesshood of the Vestals?
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