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Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:As the human race became more powerful than their surrounding animals they lost the need to battle for their survival. The sence of life, surviving to be able to reproduce, is almost fulfilled from the day a new child is born. Now enough children survive their childhood years to secure the reproduction of our race.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:We don't have to fight for the survival of our species anymore. When we are born the sence of our life has already been fulfilled, i.e. help the species survive. So we live a meaningless life. And people do not like to be helpless and hopeless. So they have created something called 'religion', to give their life a new meaning. Logically this meaning lies after death, because then it is no longer verifiable. Religions give the life a new 'artificial' meaning, because we created this 'meaning' ourselves.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:Religions have another advantage: we do not have to fear death anymore: it will be a reward for life. We will live (again) after our death.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:Peole who are strong enough to face the facts do not need religion. They know that we already have fullfilled our duty as human species.
although I didn't get Romulus' point very clearly
We don't have to fight for the survival of our species anymore. When we are born the sence of our life has already been fulfilled, i.e. help the species survive. So we live a meaningless life. And people do not like to be helpless and hopeless. So they have created something called 'religion', to give their life a new meaning. Logically this meaning lies after death, because then it is no longer verifiable. Religions give the life a new 'artificial' meaning, because we created this 'meaning' ourselves.
Religions have another advantage: we do not have to fear death anymore: it will be a reward for life. We will live (again) after our death.
Do we need religion? No. Peole who are strong enough to face the facts do not need religion. They know that we already have fullfilled our duty as human species.
Do we need religion? Yes, because people who are not strong enough to face the meaningless reality otherwise would endanger the prosperity of our species by dying far too early (suicides, no more reproducing because "they don't want to give their children a 'meaningless life'", ...). But these people do not see the reality; that religions are fake, and that the goal of life already is archieved when they're born.
Gnæus Dionysius Draco wrote:But even if we take the Western world, we, as fed and protected people, still struggle to attain the best partner, the best health and the best position to survive, not merely physically but also socially and psychologically.
Gnæus Dionysius Draco wrote:All meanings are created. But what is believing in the Gods makes one happy and at peace with oneself, while not believing doesn't? Then religion, methinks, does have a use although it may not be falsifiable and may in fact be false.
myself wrote:Do we need religion? Yes, because people who are not strong enough to face the meaningless reality otherwise would endanger the prosperity of our species by dying far too early (suicides, no more reproducing because "they don't want to give their children a 'meaningless life'", ...). But these people do not see the reality; that religions are fake, and that the goal of life already is archieved when they're born.
Gnæus Dionysius Draco wrote:In Buddhism, living after death (reincarnation) is not seen as something positive. The suffering just starts all over again. Even in christianity and in Roman pagan religion, there is punishment after death in the form of hell, Hades... There are rewards too but these are for the happy few.
Gnæus Dionysius Draco wrote:So why not become sperm donor and then kill yourself?
Romulus Aurelius Orcus wrote:Hope for beter life or afterlife brings strength but at the same time also weakens humans.
Romulus Aurelius Orcus wrote:I believe that our duty as human species is yet not fullfilled. Look at the world, its a everyday fight for survival in one way or another.
Romulus Aurelius Orcus wrote:He does have a point saying that fighting for the survival of the human species is gone, but it doesn't mean that we don't have to fight for our survival( as an individual). Its a harsh world out there and it doesn't get any beter on it.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:Indeed, psychology and sociology has become a part of our fysical reality (not the fysically strongest gets the best job, but the individual with the best combination of psyche and fysics). But this is a battle that every INDIVIDUAL tries to win every day. It does not count for the WHOLE human RACE.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:As I said (but everyone has seemed to be forgotten this passage):myself wrote:Do we need religion? Yes, because people who are not strong enough to face the meaningless reality otherwise would endanger the prosperity of our species by dying far too early (suicides, no more reproducing because "they don't want to give their children a 'meaningless life'", ...). But these people do not see the reality; that religions are fake, and that the goal of life already is archieved when they're born.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:That does not change anything to my point. Death has been given a point by religion. That point can be afterlife (christianity, islam etc) or 'justice' (hell, heaven), ... . My point is that the meaning of our dead is: you're death. More space for the other living creatures! No more, no less.
Q. C. Locatus Barbatus wrote:Gnæus Dionysius Draco wrote:So why not become sperm donor and then kill yourself?
Indeed! indeed! Why not! I've been thinking about this very long (as well as becoming a sperm donor, as killing myself, as the philosophical problem that's hiding behind this question). This is another discussion, but I'll give you a part of the answer: Because we have evolved to a stadium of unnatural wealth (as species) we now can dedicate us to a goal that is not natural: humanity.
First, you can't logically prove religions are wrong. Most of their statements can't be proven and as such, they can't be proven wrong either.
myself wrote:True, and I'll say why later...
Draco wrote:So do we NEED religion? NO, we don't need religion. But can it be useful? Yes, it can. Like any tool can be useful if they are used for the right reasons and by the right people.
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